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Wednesday November 02 01:00:58 2005
Penn and Teller on The View
I beleatedly noticed that Penn and Teller were guests on the The View. Anyone notice if they demonstrated restraints on any of the panel members. Perhaps used Meredith as a lovely assistant? If anything good had happened, I suppose it would have been posted by now.
TVCritic
Wednesday November 02 01:50:16 2005
Re: Kerhop
el tinko wrote:

> MAV wrote:
>
> > anyone know what happened to Kerhop?

> he switched site address to:
> http://www.kerkap.com

I think I have a note from him to change that here.

The Engineer
Wednesday November 02 01:58:59 2005
NCIS
Female agent will be tied back to back in chairs with her male partner next week as shown in previews after they're exposed as a fake couple in a resort. No gags shown.

Also, Carla Gugino at least gets KO'd with a punch to the face and possibly an injection later in "Threshold" previews for FR=riday. She shown cut and bleeding, but no signs of ropes visible.
Wednesday November 02 05:30:39 2005
Rent-A-Dick
I've been correcting people for YEARS about this scene. There are SIX damsels (not three, four or even five). It's pretty obvious during the scene if you just count distinct faces from shot to shot.

Glad I'm finally vindicated by this posted still...
Roper
Wednesday November 02 06:49:36 2005
New Asian Film Scene
In the Sunday New York Times Arts & Leisure section, there is an article on "Asian Extreme" films, focusing on a new omnibus film entitled "Three...Extremes". The article highlights the third segment of the film, directed by Park Chanwook and titled "Cut",and describes it thus:
"...a bitterly resentful bit player (Lim Won-hee)has bound the director's wife to a grand piano with a web of razor-sharp wires. The indignant bit player threatens to pull a wire, and thereby sever one of the woman's fingers every few minutes until the director agrees to strangle the innocent teenage girl kidnapped for the occasion and left tied-up on the couch."
There is a photo of the wife at the piano, shown from behind,with all the wires streaming across the room. No sign of the girl on the couch, however.
This film is in, I believe, very limited release but certainly merits additional research and eyes-keeping-out.
I'll pass on anything else I may learn.
jack
braino67@verizon.net
Wednesday November 02 07:30:27 2005
By any chance...
...are there any New York City denizens here who'd care to take on a special mission for our benefit?

It just so happens that Steve Earle-yes, THAT Steve Earle, the country singer-songwriter-has penned a one act play titled "Karla" which is running off-Broadway. An actress named Jodie Markell plays the title character, whose full name ought to ring a bell-Karla Faye Tucker, the Texas pickax murderess who became the first woman executed by the Lone Star State since the Civil War.

According to the review I've linked to below, the play starts with her execution, so any action of...well, relevance to us here would likely occur right then. Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to let us know if this scene is handled in...well, the matter it would be if one of us had written it. Also, if you caught Jennifer Jason Leigh's take on Tucker's story in 2002's made-for-TV "Crossed Over," you could compare the scenes and comment on whether Markell at least looks more like Tucker, which is important since she's now got the inside track for the movie role.

As always, should you or any member of your IM force be caught or killed, the Moderator will disavow any knowledge of your actions. This post will self-destruct in five seconds...
Fettershackle
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/reviews/review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001350866
Wednesday November 02 08:03:32 2005
Epitafios
In the latest episode of "Epitafios", an HBO import from Argentina, detective Marina (Cecilia Roth) was captured by the psycho. He keeps her captive, chained to a wheelchair, for most of the episode. No gag yet but at the end of the episode he decided not to kill her so presumably she will still be captive in the next episode. He did chloroform her at one point while he had her chained up. One downside: the left side of her face is scraped up some from the struggle when she was captured.

The series plays on HBO Latino and will probably play again during the week. It is available thru HBO on demand which is how I viewed it.
Philly Ed
Wednesday November 02 08:26:25 2005
Re: New Asian Film Scene
jack wrote:

This film is in, I believe, very limited release but
certainly merits additional research and
eyes-keeping-out.
I'll pass on anything else I may learn.

I put up the entire scene about 2 months ago - maybe ask on trades if you want a copy

major john
Wednesday November 02 11:06:38 2005
Re: New Asian Film Scene
jack wrote:

> In the Sunday New York Times Arts & Leisure section,
> there is an article on "Asian Extreme" films,
> focusing on a new omnibus film entitled
> "Three...Extremes". The article highlights the
> third segment of the film, directed by Park Chanwook and
> titled "Cut",and describes it thus:
> "...a bitterly resentful bit player (Lim Won-hee)has
> bound the director's wife to a grand piano with a web of
> razor-sharp wires. The indignant bit player threatens to
> pull a wire, and thereby sever one of the woman's fingers
> every few minutes until the director agrees to strangle
> the innocent girl kidnapped for the occasion and
> left tied-up on the couch."


So you aware,
as in the Database entry the wife at piano only gal in this scene.
Rest are guys

Record number: 11532

Title: Three... Extremes (2004) aka Three, Monster
Medium: Movie
Actress: Hye-jeong Kang aka Kang Hye-Jung aka Hye-jung Kang

Description: During the "Cut" segment, she's restrained sitting at a piano with numerous wires and cleave-gagged with a white cloth.
Jay L
Wednesday November 02 11:52:24 2005
Re: NCIS



Thanks for the info! I think Carla is very hot, and I enjoy "punched out" KOs, so this sounds right up my alley! I could do without cuts and bruises, though... kinda spoils the enjoyment of the scene a bit. Any one else care to chime in? Do cuts/bruises ruin scenes for you?
gytalf2000
Wednesday November 02 12:21:44 2005
Panto Time Again
Just a reminder to readers in the British Isles to look out for upcoming pantomimes containing tie-up scenes.

Full-on b&g scenes such as the one in the St Albans "Cinderella" a couple of years ago are quite rare, but many pantos contain milder scenes played for laughs.
Sadly, my theatre's "Robin Hood" this year doesn't appear to have one. :-(
Mad Dan
http://www.whitelord.ath.cx/dansdidnts
Wednesday November 02 12:25:35 2005
For those in Los Angeles - "The Fair Maid of the West, Pts.1 &2
There is a play running at the Pasadena Playhouse Balcony Theater in Pasadena, CA through Nov. 12 which includes an AOH tie, most likely shown onstage, of an attractive blonde.
The play sounds like a swashbuckling melodrama.
A pic of the scene can be found at the theater company's website along with more info.
http://www.furioustheatre.org
perilousgirl
Wednesday November 02 12:26:26 2005
Re: NCIS
> Any one else care to chime in? Do cuts/bruises ruin scenes for you?

Didn't help with several scenes for Scully on X-Files
Wednesday November 02 13:05:55 2005
DC, Marvel, or Archie
Which was the better comic publisher for bondage scenes, DC, Marvel, or Archie comics?
Blue Man
dimitri_el_slayer@yahoo.com
Wednesday November 02 14:18:33 2005
Re: NCIS
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> > Any one else care to chime in? Do cuts/bruises ruin
> scenes for you?
>
> Didn't help with several scenes for Scully on X-Files

I was just going to post the same thing! I think her face was cut in 4 of her six gag scenes. The ones where she wasn't was the tape-gag in the dental chair and the stuff gag on the bed.

A couple of small cuts don't ruin a scene for me, like Jennifer Garner's scene in "Alias" was fine despite a couple of cuts.

However, Carla was cut and bleeding pretty bad in the promo.

Wednesday November 02 14:22:43 2005
Y&R, GL
Possible kidnapping coming up featuring one of the blondes on "Young and the Restless." Don't recognize her, but possibly late 30s or early 40s? The guy who played Mitch Lawrence on "OTTL" is a phycho in this show too (yeah!) and he takes a blonde hostage, as shown in promos. Only showed him grabbing her, but her pals said "she's missing and her car is gone." No idea when this will play out.

Also on "GL", Edmund is stalking Cassie (Laura Wright) and keeps saying to himself "we'll be together soon, Cassie." Possible kidnapping there too. Both Edmund and Cassie are leaving the show within weeks, so likely both characters will die. Wright heads to "GL" to be the new Carly.
Wednesday November 02 14:23:48 2005
Soaps
That should have read Wright heads to "General Hospital" to be the new Carly starting within a few weeks.
Wednesday November 02 14:31:33 2005
Re: Y&R, GL
(unsigned poster) wrote:

> Possible kidnapping coming up featuring one of the
> blondes on "Young and the Restless." Don't
> recognize her, but possibly late 30s or early 40s?


Probably Ashley (played by a still-very-hot Eileen Davidson). Here's hoping!
Bob Nielsen
knightryderrwn@msn.com
Wednesday November 02 14:38:39 2005
Re: NCIS
(unsigned poster) wrote:

A couple of small cuts don't ruin a scene for me, like
Jennifer Garner's scene in "Alias" was fine
despite a couple of cuts.

On a related thread - you might want to stay away from the film 'Cut' that was noted by a previous poster - actress has fingers amputated on camera !
gonna give kudos to MJ for his clip however - all of the gory stuff cut out and it works out as an excellent DiD scene.


Wednesday November 02 15:36:02 2005
Re: NCIS
gytalf2000 wrote:

> Any one else care to chime in? Do cuts/bruises ruin scenes for you?

I've been thinking about this for awhile as well and I also don't like the trend in recent years of b&g damsels bloodied and bruised. As someone else said, minor cuts don't completely ruin the scene for me, but I could do without them. Some of the scenes nowadays just go too far overboard for my tastes though. I'm just old-school I suppose.

I guess it's the price of trying to bring realism into TV and Movies.
MadFish
Wednesday November 02 15:52:23 2005
Re: NCIS
MadFish wrote:

> I've been thinking about this for awhile as well and I
> also don't like the trend in recent years of b&g
> damsels bloodied and bruised.

"Profiler" was as rough a show in concept as any of the ones on today, yet most of the damsel scenes were pretty clean and tame. Wish "Criminal Minds" and "Killer Instinct" would head in that direction instead of these graphic scenes and premises.
Wednesday November 02 15:58:45 2005
Criminal Minds
Wish "Criminal
Minds" and "Killer Instinct" would head in
that direction instead of these graphic scenes and premises.

I watched Criminal Minds from the get go and didn't see any scenes - good premise, though for DiD potential - can you elaborate.

Matt
Wednesday November 02 16:04:36 2005
Does anyone know the name of this film?
Hi everyone,

There was this film in which a guy owed big money to the local
mob boss. To pay off his debt, he decides to abduct the
daughter of someone. He waits
for her in her own house and jumps on the unsuspecting
woman. He binds & gags her then wraps her up in blankets. He
keeps her packaged like that on the backseat of his car ( she
keeps moaning and squirming the whole time ). Then he takes
her to his lair and keeps her tied to a chair. At the end, he ties
her to a bathtub. She's rescued thanks to a bar of soap in which
she inscribed an s.o.s. message.

Does anyone remember this film? The abductor had asthma
and the kidnapped girl spends the whole film dressed in her
bra & panties.
Traveller
Wednesday November 02 16:19:35 2005
Soņar no cuesta nada
Previews for tomorrow mentioned a plot to kidnapp "Emilia"
leading lady, tape A.Y.O.R. Univision 14:00 EST
Magno
Wednesday November 02 16:26:32 2005
Re: Soņar no cuesta nada
Magno wrote:

> Previews for tomorrow mentioned a plot to kidnapp
> "Emilia"
> leading lady, tape A.Y.O.R. Univision 14:00 EST

One warning here,
there is a kidnap, escape attempt-recapture and everything with no bondage whatsoever in this one.
Jay L
Wednesday November 02 16:29:36 2005
Re: NCIS
MadFish wrote:

> I guess it's the price of trying to bring realism into TV and Movies.


Good point! If I wanted realism, I would read the newspaper or watch a documentary! I like my KOs and bondage scenes to be more "fantasy-related" than the current crop of TV and movie producers care to produce.
By the way -- this phenomenon extends to comic books as well! I remember when superheroines could get KOed in very physical ways, and then shown unconscious in bondage afterward with nary a scratch or bruise on their lovely faces/bodies! Nowadays, though, there is virtually always enough blood to spoil the scene!

gytalf2000
Wednesday November 02 16:52:45 2005
Re: NCIS
> Nowadays, though, there is virtually always
> enough blood to spoil the scene!

Everv since the Janet Jackson 'nipplegate' episode, TV networks have to tone down anyhting dealing with sex so they've ratcheted up the violence to compensate

Wednesday November 02 16:56:36 2005
Re: Soņar no cuesta nada
Jay L wrote:

> Magno wrote:
in this one.

Great scene wolflake - it listed as cbs network on imdb but can't find on my cable. which part of country should i look for showings.
Geoff
Wednesday November 02 16:58:38 2005
Re: NCIS
> Good point! If I wanted realism, I would read the
> newspaper or watch a documentary! I like my KOs and
> bondage scenes to be more "fantasy-related"

A cute one was when Eva Grubb konked Ginger on the head with a coconut
Jonas Grumby
Wednesday November 02 17:24:39 2005
Sophie Ward
Now added to DB

HeartBeat: The End of the Road

Sophie Ward

Pretty blonde Ward plays a doctor in this 1960's based British drama series. In the above episode a visit to a remote farm house goes wrong when she is captured by an escaped convict.
After a brief tussle we catch up with her as she is being dragged across the moors att night. Her hands are bound together in front of her and her captor is holding the end of the rope like a leash.
He forces her to sleep rough overnight then resumes his 'escape' across the moors at first light dragging her behind him. She stumbles and falls a few times eventually losing her black slingback shoes.
They wase across a river to evade the police but are cornered on a low tor. At one point she grabs a large stone in her bound hands (nice close up) but drops it. The police close in and the kidnapper jumps to his death.
Ward is wearing a dark knee lenght coat, sweater, knee skirt, nylons and high heel slingback shoes
moxx of balhoom
Wednesday November 02 18:54:11 2005
C Lowe
Record number: 11160

Title: The Collector
Medium: TV Series
Actress: Crystal Lowe

Description: Episode: "The Tattoo Artist" (2.5)

Morgan and a friend burst into a dressing room and find a beautiful stripper tied to a chair and cleave-gagged with a dark-colored cloth. Some mmmphing and nice facial expressions before she's untied. Scene occurs in the 2nd half of the episode.
__________________________________

Wrote her an email asking about it and she replied:

Hi

Thanks for the e-mail. I had an awesome time on that show, the lead actor is not only very talented but very sweet as well. As for being gagged, no it wasn't all that fun but worth it for the project lol

Crystal Lowe
http://www.a1nutritionproducts.com/graphics/InStone/manufacturer_page/crystal_lowe.jpg
http://www.crystallo.info/
Wednesday November 02 19:23:48 2005
Re: DC, Marvel, or Archie
Blue Man wrote:

> Which was the better comic publisher for bondage scenes,
> DC, Marvel, or Archie comics?

My highly unscientific opinion is that, over the years, you'll get more from DC. Given that their classic characters have been around since the old days of serials and cliffhangers, there's a lot more ropes and such in their past. And even today, they seem more likely to go the full B&G route.

Seems to me that Marvel gals get less of it, and when they do, they tend to more often find themselves in restraints like giant futuristic cuffs in the ceiling, or magic bands, or other forms of bondage that I don't find all that interesting. Though as I posted recently, the Black Widow has a full-scale chair tie coming up in a couple of months that looks like a doozy.

The Archie gals, of course, are in a different league-- far fewer tieups, but when they get it, it's unexpected enough to be a bit special. Plus they always go for the traditional binding materials!
Jeb
jebdel@yahoo.com
http://www.jebsadventurebound.homestead.com
Wednesday November 02 19:29:44 2005
can't find the Mephisto Waltz chloros
I just rented Mephisto Waltz and scanned through it at a reasonable speed -- these handgag chloro scenes somehow escaped me, unless they were edited out. Can someone tell me where the scenes are in the movie? Thanks.
Mr Snarky
Wednesday November 02 19:40:40 2005
Re: C Lowe
from her web site...

"I am currently filming Masters of Horror which will be aired on Showcase.This is not a show for the week of heart. I don't want to give away too much but lets just say it's gorry. "

Beautiful but dumber than a bag of hammers. still she gets a pass for being tied up.
kramer
Wednesday November 02 20:49:02 2005
Re: C Lowe
This post was moved to The Trading Forum.

Poster: cc
Reason: Cap requests -> Trade page.
The Moderator
Wednesday November 02 21:04:54 2005
Re: DC, Marvel, or Archie
Blue Man wrote:

> Which was the better comic publisher for bondage scenes,
> DC, Marvel, or Archie comics?

Marvel by a longshot...Who can forget the classics from Spiderwoman, 1970s ghost rider, emma frost, thunderstrike, the indiana jones comics...lots of good ones. I would rate Wildstorm/Image 2nd for the great Gen 13 items.
Darthmalious
Wednesday November 02 22:43:24 2005
Re: DC, Marvel, or Archie
Blue Man wrote:

> Which was the better comic publisher for bondage scenes,
> DC, Marvel, or Archie comics?

The answer, without any doubt, is DC Comics. The golden-age era Wonder Woman stories alone contain more bondage than the entire catalogue of Marvel Comics. Plus, DC has a couple of heroines with vocal powers, Black Canary and Zatanna, that just cry out (literally) to be gagged. Throw in Batgirl and Huntress, and the field from DC is quite deep.

Plus, how about a little comparison between the girlfriends of the top hero of each company: Mary Jane Watson vs. Lois Lane.
Mary Jane Watson: Sure, she's hot, but she spends too much of her time just minding her own business.
Lois Lane: Snoopy reporter, ALWAYS sticking her nose into places where she gets captured, tied up, and in need of rescue. (I like snoopy reporters!) Lois bondage scenes outnumber Mary Jane bondage scenes by at least a 10 to 1 margin.

And, as someone else said, Archie Comics doesn't even come close to the other two companies. The bondage for their gals was relatively rare (especially in comparison to the number of stories they appeared in), but when it did happen it was great!
Mmmalph

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